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Post by bigjohncraven on Mar 23, 2011 11:27:37 GMT 1
After watching last weeks "Late kickoff" and listening to a debate about the financial implications of rule changes that seemed to favour the top clubs and was leading lots of clubs like Oldham,Tranmere, Crew ect to consider doing away with their youth scheme's altogether. It would appear that the bigger clubs would just be able to hoover up any talent they produced as well as having first pick of the youngsters as only centres of excellence could sign juniors while academies could not sign players till 16. the Difference between running a centre of Excellence and an Academy is about a million a year!!! and with no financial gain (just think Crew)the clubs would no longer be able to justify the expense. Which brings me to the point ,as we now find ourselves cash rich and in the Prem should we be trying to incorporate a Centre of excellence into the new training ground ?(you know the one thats been talked about since Adam was a lad) Well to me it seems a no brainer, we are always going to be a selling club there's no point in denying it and we cant constantly rely on spotting a cheap player and selling him on at a profit,the likes of Charlie don't come round every day. Which only seems to leave the option of growing our own.Now we havn't got much of a history in this regard to say the least. I havn't heard a word from anyone at the club re this question and I havn't seen it discussed anywhere either,we seem to be so concentrated on the "Who should we sign" question that something that on the face of it could be the difference between being a viable club or one of the strugglers or even defunct clubs is just slipping by unnoticed. I'v been trying to find the new regulations but so far with no success so sorry if non of this makes sense!I'd be interested to know if anyone has heard anything on this subject,I'm sure it's not just me that thinks it's important?
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Post by trueblackpool on Mar 23, 2011 16:01:15 GMT 1
I think the key problem we have with this is our location, as in the surrounding region we would be competing with Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool's, Evertons centre of excellences. I feel if we invested we could compete with Bolton and Blackburn, but the kids with true potential will take some convincing to come to Blackpools rather than Utd's. What would your advice be to one of your kids if you had to help them decide between Blackpool and Utd???
I am trying to think of the last player of any real skill to come through the current youth set up, Trevor Sinclar is the only i can think off. There have been a few who showed promise but have ended up in non league. Blinkhorn, Mitchley, Wiles, Burns, Edge, Kay to name a few i could think of in the past decade.
So if and when the new training ground does come to light, i think youth development should be a real focus. However would throwing the type of wedge needed to get a centre of excellence of the ground be a good return on money for a club like Blackpool......if we find the next Messi then yes, but that is a gamble and a half! The future for Blackpool is to continue finding the hidden gems and selling them on at a profit.
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Post by yeoldetangerine on Mar 23, 2011 16:29:37 GMT 1
Not sure about the new regs, but wouldn't surprise me if it did help the rich, c'est la vie. I think we need to look at this as a community club, as well as a selling club. When my kids were young, we lived near Northampton, they ran tiny kids training, schoolboy teams, disabled teams, girls and womens teams. All the local kids went there, from across a wide area. The stadium, tiny though it was, was full pretty much every game, in a town dominated by the egg chasers. So they were growing some of their own talent, and getting locals involved. Yes, I know thye didn't have lots of league teams within a few tens of miles. If we are to be a premier league team, we have to take some responsibility for developing the English game. Can we compete against the lesser big teams for players? Maybe as long as Attack Ollie is here, we can. Pretty fun place for young men to come and learn their trade!!
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Mar 23, 2011 16:59:20 GMT 1
Basically it means only the premiership clubs would be allowed to sign and train who ever they want as the 90 min rule goes out of the window.
for 140 million a year every club in the 3 divisions out side the premiership could have a level one facility, not a lot really and its about time the FA and mega rich but something back into this game rather than take take take
Sorry but the FA and premiership desire to win the world cup because thats what it really is about and to take all the best talent in the land, will in the end see the closing down of many football clubs as they depend on developing young talent to sell on too the bigger clubs.
lets not forget ten years ago we where down in the bottom tier, while the small clubs struggle to balance the books the big fat cats just get richer and even if a club only gets 2,000 supporters thats 2,000 supporters that in the end will loose what they cherish, their local club!!!!!
i am sure they are hell bent on killing the game and milking it for all they can too it dries up
Currently Premier League and Football League sides have either academy or centre of excellence status but under the new scheme the youth systems at all clubs will be graded across four categories.
Top of the pile will be a new hothouse style super academy that will provide intensive training to the best young talent. The 90-minute rule, which currently states that Academy players must live within one-and-a-half hour's drive of their club, will be scrapped, giving the top clubs access to the best young players in the country. They will live in residential facilities and, the theory goes, clubs will link up with local education authorities to integrate coaching into the normal school day.
Contact time with qualified coaches will treble, with the aim of reaching the optimum figure of 10,000 hours by the time that players turn 21. Under the current academy set-up that figure is around 3,760 hours. The theory is to have the best young players coached by some of the best coaches in excellent facilities from an early age.
The Premier League is keen to stress that the categorisation of youth systems will not be tied to a club's league standing; a League One club could have category one status. However, the cost of funding a category one system is expected to be £2.5m per annum, three times the current academy level and way beyond what is currently spent by Watford.
Category two is based broadly on the current academy model, while category three is similar to the centres of excellence at most Football League clubs and the final category is effectively a late developer safety net that picks up players from the age of 16.
The top two categories will have a minimum of 17 full-time staff and will be beyond the reach of most Football League clubs, who will have category three or four status. Most will end up in category three - and it is here that there is a major sticking point.
Under the new plans, clubs in this category will not be able to sign players until they are 12. At the moment they can sign players from the age of nine and there is a big worry that if that current level is not maintained it will leave them at a big disadvantage. By the time category three schemes start most of the good young players will have already been signed up by clubs with a category one or two system.
In his 10 months in the job Clarke has visited more than 60 Football League chairmen and has concluded that the revenue they gain from their youth investment is vital. Crewe, for example, generate an average of £1m a year from the sale of homegrown players.
The £50 million Chelsea spent on Fernando Torres is equal to the cost of running all the Football Leagues youth development for a year - with £10 million spare."
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Post by bigjohncraven on Mar 23, 2011 17:21:14 GMT 1
Thanks for filling in the details sherlock,where did you find the info by the way? Good points made already by True(ye I struggled to think of any players we have developed) and Olde re us being a community club. Also wonder about Ollies trip to Spain and his comment s re playing like Barca, Years ago under Cruyff they set up a youth policy as they knew they could not just keep paying top money for the best players,and aslo the kids would learn the Barca way to play.Lets not forget most of their present team is home grown. Ok we are never going to have the pull of Barcelona but as a model I suspect Ollie is thinking along the same lines.
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Mar 23, 2011 17:30:26 GMT 1
It took some finding BJC bits from the BBC and other sites not much out their which means it is being kept under the rug.....
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Post by bigjohncraven on Mar 24, 2011 8:14:03 GMT 1
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Mar 24, 2011 8:41:08 GMT 1
Rather depressing, should we buy out PNE and use it as our new training facility lol after all the reserve matches would get more than their normal home attendance
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Post by trueblackpool on Mar 24, 2011 9:27:23 GMT 1
I think there is value in sorting through the rubbish left behind by these super clubs however. They might not be good enough for Utd, but they could do a decent job for us!
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