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Post by Ali on Apr 16, 2012 19:49:00 GMT 1
Just been watching them talking about how many players are diving on skysports before Arsenal game.
My question is what would you enforce to try and combat this action that seems to be happening more and more , and what are your thoughts on it.
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Post by yeoldetangerine on Apr 16, 2012 20:21:36 GMT 1
We had a Man U fan leave this morning, and even he said he is fed up of Ashley's diving
Personally, I think the answer to the diving, the did it cross the line or not, the handballs, the fouls without contact, is a fourth official and a video, ala RL And then guidelines for refs to yellow card players who cheat, cos that is what it really is.
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Apr 16, 2012 20:37:20 GMT 1
Personally i hate it. 4th official for me as well takes 10 seconds tops and if the player dives with no contact a straight red should be given that will soon cut it down.
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Post by april13th1970 on Apr 16, 2012 20:52:36 GMT 1
Use video technology for me too . . . .1st offence: red card, 2nd offence: 3 game ban, 3rd offence: 10 game ban, 4th offence: 1 year ban, 5th offence: lifetime worldwide ban
Any bans should also include confiscation of all earnings (salary and endorsements) for the duration of the ban, which would then be given to the PFA Benevolent Fund
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Post by pikeypete on Apr 16, 2012 21:12:07 GMT 1
I'd go for a retrospective points deduction based on clear video evidence. Simply not worth the risk to anyone getting caught.
I hate diving..............but not as much as April apparently ;D
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Post by april13th1970 on Apr 17, 2012 5:49:29 GMT 1
I hate cheating, pure & simple !!!
For me it's on a par with drug cheats in cycling and the penalties should be similar
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Apr 17, 2012 5:56:19 GMT 1
But with cycling if you get caught you get to appeal and then sign a big new contract with team sky.
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Post by seasider511 on Apr 17, 2012 7:27:49 GMT 1
I think the same video replays with the 4th official having a quick look. maybe even go like tennis were you have so many appeals per game.
On the cycling thing I'm 99% sure if any rider has been done for drugs Sky won't touch them.
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Apr 17, 2012 8:16:25 GMT 1
Here lies the problem with football as well, while one governing body might ban someone others will overturn it. Plus football has to put up with FIFA and step ladder guy.
To me once caught cheating if it be drugs or constant falling over in the penalty box that should be it for good, you had your chance now move on.
If you put things like cocaine and wacky backy aside for one minute and deal just with performance enhancing drugs in football alone some very high profile names have been found to be taking them only received a short ban and allowed to carry on playing.
Jaap Stam, Frank de Boer and Edgar Davids, Portugal's Fernando Couto and Spain's Josep Guardiola. Add to that the FA catch around 32 players a year which are never named just fined and banned for a period of 6 months it really is a mess
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Post by sandgrown'un on Apr 17, 2012 12:25:16 GMT 1
Definitely retrospective red cards for diving, I hate it. Its another thing Johnny Foreigner introduced to our game.
One problem is though that even on a replay its quite hard to tell. The new mantra coming out of the mouths of commentators and pundits alike is, "There was contact so its a penalty". Bullshit! Quite often the forward actually makes contact with the defender rather than the other way round, then goes down resulting in a penalty. Its hard to tell the difference in slow motion.
One definite thing. Referees are judged on technology and action replays. If they cant have access to it then how can they be judged by it? Either give it to them or stop showing it on our screens during and after the game.
Simple? Yes, but too simple for the powers that be.
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Post by mickyg on Apr 17, 2012 12:28:08 GMT 1
Whilst I hate the cheats who dive and support all the above ideas on the penalties for being caught, I don't believe it's all that simple to prove, even with video technology. Ashley Cole's latest Oscar Award winning effort against The Villains is a case in point. When you look at the video evidence, there is clearly contact with the defender's leg and foot.....Cole made damn sure of it! However, in this case, we are lucky to have a camera angle which clearly shows how the cheat Cole, moved towards the defender (who, incidently, was clearly trying to get out of the cheat's way) and with the use of video evidence and a 4th official, the cheat would have got his just desserts. Therein lies the problem, how many camera angles do you need to sort this kind of cheating out? If the 4th official has to look through too many, then decisions could take ages coming which would destroy the game as we know it, and clearly, without the right angle all you could prove is that there was contact but you'd still be unable to prove how that contact came about.......bit of a "rock and a hard place" scenario for the officials. My solution is far more radical....turn the clock back 40 years and let the players make contact again (ooooooh, scary thought, let football become a "man's" game again, ooooooh how on earth would all the "little boys with hary legs" cope?).....cheats like Cole wouldn't last long against the likes of our very own "Chopper" McPhee who would have exacted restituion on him by ensuring he would have to leave the field of play injured......not pretty, but highly effective!
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Post by Tangerine Sherlock on Apr 17, 2012 13:49:49 GMT 1
now that is radical and i wish they would let them tackle again but a footballer is such a commodity these days, no way clubs would allow it.
Small steps at a time would be a start as in a reply shows no contact at all which happens a lot and a clear dive you get a straight red and 3 match ban, i bet any money some players would suddenly stay upright rather than looking like they have just been hit by a snipper in the crowd.
some of the below should have been given marching orders
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